Thursday, February 12. 2009Uri Geller and the Great Pyramids of Scotland: How does it line-up?So Uri Geller buying his own "pyramid" in Scotland (OK the island of Lamb) has got some interest - it made the Beeb and the Scotsman, we are discussing it on the forum and Greg has posted a good round-up on over at the Daily Grail. The question is: How do things line-up? Literally. Well let's see. The claims are from Jeff Nisbet's The Pyramids of Scotland:
The importance of the Scotichronicon is explained earlier and where an Egypt-Scotland link comes in:
Sirius itself is significant in occult and UFO circles (with links going back, in modern times, to the A∴A∴) culminating in Robert Temple's Sirius Mystery, and other claims for contact with the Dog Star). There is even a Geller-Sirius link as his early mentor Andrija Puharich was involved with the channelling of The Nine, an group of aliens from Sirius. Also present was Arthur M. Young who passed the idea of Sirius on to Temple (it is a bigger story, that I will return to, and is covered best in Picknett and Prince's book The Stargate Conspiracy, but for a quick summary see this). Puharich and Geller would do research at the Stanford Research Institute (which had all sorts of CIA involvement a the time). I await the conspiracy theories on this one (although I suppose the above is an outline), we can only hope Uri is making some grand chess move to block the evil machinations to bring back The Nine!! Anyway back to alignments, for starters here is the broader Google Map: The three island in the box on the right are the ones we are interested in (Fidra is on the left, Craigleith is the tiny speck in the middle and The Lamb is on the right), but also keep an eye out for the island in the box on the left as that is Inchcolm.
If we want to test this north of the border equivalent of the Orion Correlation Theory, we really need to overlay things, so first we'll zoom in on the three island that are said to make up the "belt":
What you can see is I've stacked the island, pyramids and stars with varying opacity (I'll work on making these animated gifs which might show the positioning better). I lined everything up on Craigleith (the small one in the middle, makes for an easy "point" to work with as there is more wiggle room with the larger islands) and then lined up the right-hand objects and looked to see how the fit was on the left. As you can see even exploiting the wiggle room to its maximum the stars are way off, although the pyramid is close. I also decided to do it the other way round and again exploited the wiggle room by aligning the pyramid and star on the left with the very tip of the lower island and again it is off on the right (with the pyramid and island being better fits than the star):
All this is fairly crude juggling of freely available images, but I don't find it very convincing and in fact you could get similar approximations with any three objects that are roughly in a line and approximately equidistant (I initially got the islands wrong and got something similar using Fidra, The Lamb and Bass Island (the similarly sized island further east which you can see to the right of the box on the first map). If one is to believe that someone was using precise engineering skills to map the heavens to the Earth then they were clearly having an off week when they did all that. Now on to the broader picture with an overlay of a star map showing Orion (right) and Canis Majoris (left)?
That is pretty good (I had a little chuckle to myself when I got things to line up) but the process of doing this has has made me less impressed than I might be coming to this cold. As the "belt" is small and close together (and the stars are big dots) I was able to jiggle the scale and angle around to get the fit. It is still interesting but it got me thinking that if I wanted try and find "Sirius" merely only having the belt islands (if it had been, for example, a treasure map) then it could easily have been anywhere within a space of a couple of hundred square miles. However, I reckon it'd be good enough for me to risk a few tens of thousands of pounds on buying an island (if I had such large chunks of change to throw around) as you not only get your own bragging rights from owning an islands but there is enough background material to make a pretty good story out of it for celebrity dinner parties so I say good on Uri Geller, even if I'm not 100% convinced by the actual evidence. However, I lay it all out for you above and you can come to your own decision on how wise his purchase was, and you can even grab some image and play along at home - you might even get better results than I did and/or you might see broader patterns (there are plenty of features on the ground to aim for). For example, you can see parts of Lepus falling on the coast between Edinburgh and North Berwick (the rabbit below the feet of Orion being chased by Orion's hunting dog). A something that caught my eye was how Beta Canis Majoris (Murzim, The Herald) falls within Edinbugrh - our Edinbuggers here can make of that what they will. As luck would have it we have quite a concentration of them here, including the Big Yin of the Edinburgh Fortean Society (although I am reliably informed he prefers the title of Grand Poobah) so your mission, if you chose to accept it, is to accompany Uri Geller on his visit to the island and tell us all about it. Of course, the problem comes in when you wonder how anyone has been able to shape/move the islands to fit the correlation and (without an awful lot of unsupported assumptions) you can't. Another big concern is that if someone had the means to do that, they not only dropped the ball on the alignments but the relative size is way off. The largest island corresponds to the smallest pyramid and the tiniest island is supposed to correlate to one of the largest - this is more troubling than the alignments. Personally, I'm formulating a theory that suggests the experts have everything backwards. The ancient Scots saw the similarity between the islands and Orion, and rose to be a global power, eventually building the pyramids of Egypt to reflect this. I will leave those more knowledgeable in such matters to flesh this out. Technical note: To avoid any claims of selecting my images to prove a point, one way or the other, I grabbed the maps from Google Earth, other images came from Wikipedia (like the stars from Orion's belt and the Giza pyramids) and the larger star map from here. I'll go and make those animated gifs and upload this later below the fold. Trackbacks
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Hi Emperor,
It has been seven years since the publication of my Atlantis Rising #35 article, “The Pyramids of Scotland,” and over most of that time the article languished on my website without much comment or attention. All that changed on Feb. 12, when the BBC and several other UK newspapers published the news about Uri Geller’s purchase of Lamb Island (The Lamb) from the Baron of Fullwood and Dirleton, and the story has since been commented on by quite a few discussion groups around the world, including this one, mostly with more than a modicum of back and forth winking and nudging. Of all the newspapers I have seen that have covered the story so far, only Edinburgh’s venerable “The Scotsman” has mentioned me by name, which they spelled wrong. Thank you for spelling it right. I normally tend to shy away from long forum discussions, since they usually end up being a frustrating exercise in diminishing returns. I cannot, however, let your post go unanswered. Perhaps a year from now, as these things typically go, further cyber-discussions might imply that my theory has been debunked. Two years from now the scuttlebutt might be that my theory has been THOROUGHLY debunked, and that would be a shame. A few points – one minor, the others less so: First, Craigleith is not “the small one in the middle;” The Lamb is. The middle island; Craigleith is the one to the east, and Fidra is the one to the west. Next, as the first image on my website shows (the image comparing the Giza pyramids with the Firth of Forth islands), I was fully aware that the alignment of the pyramids and the islands was not an exact apex-to-center-of-island fit, but the overall impression is a compelling one that I feel was meant to be noticed. Then, too, you have the conundrum of building structures vs terraforming one long island into three smaller ones. When you build a structure you have absolute control over size and placement, whereas IF you were to terraform one long island into three you would pretty much have to work with what the topography gave you to work with. The same argument could be applied to the disparity between the relative sizes of the stars when compared to the islands, too. I believe it is the special relationships between the three islands and Inchcolm that count here, and I was glad to see that someone else has successfully duplicated my observation. It’s been a long time since I visited the exercise, and using Google Earth (which did not exist in 2002), so thank you. Thanks, too, for renewing my interest in the mystery sufficiently to begin work on a “Pyramids of Scotland Revisited,” which I hope to write over the next couple of months. Might as well take advantage of the situation while the subject is still hot. Over the last seven years I have amassed quite a lot of new information about the islands that I did not know when I wrote my first article – relating to local folklore (myth?) that tends to confirm that indeed a bit of terraforming has happened in the distant past. Also, without tipping too much of my hand prematurely, there is the curious connection of the name of the nearby town, North Berwick, and the constellation Orion. Writing in his 1980 book, “The North Berwick Story,” North Berwick minister Rev. Walter M. Ferrier, who died in 1991, tackles the etymology of the name, claiming that “Bere” is the Old English word for barley and that “Wic” means dwelling or village, so Berwick would mean the barley village. In his 1899 book, “Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning,” Richard Hinckley Allen says that in the “Egyptian Book of the Dead” Orion “was known as Smati-Osiris, the Barley God.” Finally, I must commend your theory “that suggests the experts have everything backwards,” and that “the ancient Scots saw the similarity between the islands and Orion, and rose to be a global power, eventually building the pyramids of Egypt to reflect this.” While I suspect that you had your tongue firmly planted in cheek when you wrote that, you very well may not be too far off the mark. Here is an article that BBC news ran, dated 13 November, 2000, titled “Island Brains Behind Pyramids?” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1021508.stm After I wrote my 2002 article it suddenly occurred to me that Scota and Gaythelos might not so much have left Egypt for Scotland because they had to so much as they might have been simply going home – which is another theory I will be supporting in The Pyramids of Scotland Revisited. All best, and thanks again. Jeff http://www.mythomorph.com Comments (8) Thanks for the clarification - as I said I had got the wrong islands and it looks like while getting the right islands I got them in the wrong order. I'll update it, as my main goal was to help people get the lie of the land, so they can make up their own minds (and as such I don't feel this has debunked anything, as I said I was personally unconvinced about a perfect alignment, but there is enough there that other people can come to other conclusions and it would have been enough for me to give buying the island a shot
And yes while my tongue was in the vicinity of my cheek, it is also the interpretation that requires the least assumptions - someone with a map and knowledge of the stars (a sailor) could easily have noticed the similarity (because, as I've shown it is there even with more accurate modern maps) and further extrapolated from there. That article is fascinating - you would imagine someone sailing from the Orkneys to the Med would sail down the more sheltered east coast and could not have missed the Firth of Forth so there is always the potential for this correlation suggesting itself. It would certainly be interesting to see if: There are any mentions in Scottish folklore/history, if there are wider correlations to the star map (especially in man-made structures - I didn't look into what Beta Canis Majoris falls on, for example although I'd be very intrigued if there was a "Herald" connection). Anyway thanks for the corrections - it does sound like now is the time for an update (I'm sure the Fortean Times would be interested) and be sure to let us know when it comes out and I'll do an update, as I'm sure quite a few people are interested in the topic (as the mainstream news coverage shows). Comments (8) Hi Emperor,
Well, I had an entertaining reply to your Beta Canis Majoris musing, but I guess it never arrived. Maybe I signed in wrong. Anyway, long story shorter. Bring up a satellite view of Edinburgh, and navigate north to the dock area (Leith). On the left side you will find the tiny harbor of Newhaven, where I have stayed in the Newhaven Travel Inn on my last four trips to Scotland. There is a decommissioned lighthouse there, and views of Inchcolm. Check out the name of the road that runs west along the water -- it's Starbank Road. Look for a park that lies not too far to the west. This is Starbank Park, laid out in the 1890s. Beta Canis Majoris falls in this area. I have been unable to discover how the park got its name, and suspect it was due to a tradition that had been already forgotten, even as long ago as that. Now zoom in to that park, to the highest magnification, and look at what you'll see at the south end -- a eight-pointed star shape that, in the spring and summer, is planted with flowers, with crescent moons acting as the star's parentheses. A photo of the park can be seen at the following link: http://www.leithhistory.co.uk/2009/02/07/starbank-park/ The park, for many years, has been a favorite place for neighborhood youngsters to roll their Easter eggs -- a tradition that has its roots in Pagan celebrations of the rebirth of the earth, and later usurped by the Christians as a celebration of the rebirth of Jesus/Man. Just another incredible coincidence? Incredible? Yes. Coincidence? I think not. All Best, Jeff PS: Wiki defines "Virtual Easter Egg" as an "intentional hidden message." Comments (5) That is excellent!!
I did a quick look around to check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbank_Park Which gets me to Newhaven and you can follow the coordinates to Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=55.979525,-3.193206&spn=0.3,0.3&t=m&q=55.979525,-3.193206 You get that triangle of roads which surround Beta Canis Majoris and by Jove isn't that top road Starbank Road!! Not only is at presumably on some kind of bank as the land runs down to the sea (slightly further west is a Primrose Bank Road, which I assume is a bank down to the sea on which primroses grew) but it looks like there should be a line of sight to Inchcolm (along the line connecting BCM to Sirius Even if I knew about that and aimed for it I doubt I could have done a better job than that ----- I did look around for others and found one in the far NE of Scotland (actually a couple of things in the same area): http://tinyurl.com/b8dd3s There is also a Starbank School in Birmingham (and perhaps a road of a similar name). I can't find the name in the Dictionary of Place Names and there are a range of etymologies for names starting in star (staves, starling, etc.) make it difficult to guess. Comments (8) You can see Inchcolm along that entire stretch of coast between Newhaven Harbor west to Granton. Sometimes it looks like a battleship. You can go on a Zodiac trip to the island from Newhaven, but cannot land. To land, you must take the Maid of the Forth from Hawes dock in South Queensferry. Robert Louis Stevensonl wrote Kidnapped from a room in the Hawes Inn, beneath the Forth Bridge. Three years ago, on my way back from Inchcolm, I passed a tanker at anchor named Sirius.
That same night I called my wife (back in the U.S.) from the bar phone at the Starbank Inn, a nice pub next to Starbank Park, and was treated to a fireworks over Leith on the ten-minute walk back east to the hotel. Couple of days later, towards the end of my stay, I saw the only complete DOUBLE rainbow in my life from the hotel parking lot. Do you believe in magic? Best, Jeff Comments (5) I certainly believe it is a funny old world
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The Starbank connection does tend to nail the configuration in place, and rather limits the wiggle room.
Comments (5) It does - I'd have to try hard not to hit it. Did you know about this know about this before?
What would be interesting is to expand the map and see how the stars fall on the wider landscape - you would expect that if anyone had spotted this in the past, that some man-made features would have been constructed to expand this pattern on the land. That would be a test of this idea. Comments (8)
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Hi Emperor,
I did NOT know about the Starbank connection before, and will be mentioning your contribution in my article, with attribution. I would be happy to mention you by name, or by your handle if you prefer. When I was staying at the Newhaven Travel Inn I often wondered about the place, but never followed up on it, since I always seemed to be following some new mystery, and made my original calculations with maps and tissue paper, all now lost or deeply buried. I did make the connection, via straight lines, to Dunsinane and Tara, but don't know if stars land on those spots. The program you mention that can create larger star maps looks daunting. Do you know if it works with a Mac? Since writing my first article, however, I have discovered new evidence linking Egypt with Scotland. I suppose you will know by now that Philip Coppens, no fan of the OCT, long leylines, or my personal research, will be accompanying Uri on his visit to The Lamb. It will be interesting to read his take on the trip. Here is a link to the announcement: http://www.eastlothiannews.co.uk/news/Uri-Geller-buys-Lamb-Island.4997468.jp Best, Jeff Comments (5) Well, due to the Scotsman article about Uri Geller's purchase of Lamb Island (and the conversation here) I have revisited my original "Pyramids of Scotland" article, with the result that I have written a followup article titled (no surprise) "The Pyramids of Scotland Revisited."
It's now available in the PDF version of the upcoming issue of Atlantis Rising, and will be on the newsstands in the U.S. in mid-June. When it is off the newsstands I will post it on my website. My article makes what I believe is a strong case (1) that Atlantis was not totally destroyed; (2) that the surviving remnants of Atlantis are the British Isles of today; (3) that Atlantis, before the cataclysmic event that ripped it to pieces, sat at the intersection of both an antedeluvian 33rd Parallel and what was then the Prime Meridian; (4) that the builders of the pyramid complex at Giza encoded all of the above when they positioned the complex exactly where they did; (5) and that there is more truth to Scotland’s Egyptian foundation “myth” than mainstream history has allowed. All Best, Jeff PS to Emperor: Thanks for the stimulating conversation. I mention your replication of my Orion correlation, as well as your further query about Canis Major's Beta star, "the herald." Comments (5) Thanks for the update - I look forward to reading the piece and when you have it online I'll do a follow up (I haven't yet found larger star maps to check on large conjunctions but I'll have an extra look around and see what I can come up with). I have to say the Starbank connection is fascinating.
While I am still unsure about the reality of Atlantis I am intrigued by the idea it might be connected with the sea rise at the end of the last glaciation. The interesting thing is that as Doggerland disappeared beneath the waves the highest land (which now forms Dogger Bank) would have been an island in the Mesolithic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland Any villages or people that remained would have had to have boats and refugees from the final inundation would have turned up British and European shores (the former including the Firth of Forth, of course). Now something odd happens as the sea level reaches its modern levels - what were plains and hills in what would become the Firth of Forth would slowly resolve itself into the general layout of Orion and Canis Majoris. It would have probably taken quite a while (it could be possible to work out the timing of this) but anyone noticing this would be very impressed. The swamping of Doggerland would have linked with this appearance. Could someone have noticed this and linked the two? Granted it is speculation but it might be a connection between the disappearance of an island off the British coast and the appearance of a star map not that far away. If anyone did see the link it'd be mind-blowing. Comments (8) Hi Emperor,
Well, Uri buys the island and the UK press is all over the story. I inspire the purchase and write a follow-up article, and the response to it is singularly underwhelming, as per usual. Maybe I talk too much about the Grand Lodge of Scotland's connection to the Druids and the pyramid builders in it, who knows ... Anyway: Perhaps because I am not particularly religious, I just can't seem to wrap my head around the idea that God and Mother Nature would conspire to enlarge the Ocean (suddenly or slowly), leaving Firth of Forth islands configured like the stars of Orion and Canis Major. I guess I have a bit of trouble believing in miracles. So, for now, I'll just stick with my theory that the islands (and North Berwick Law) were "terraformed" out of what was left of the edge of the mainland, in spite of the fact that, as I mention in the article, my theories have found some amusement in certain quarters. I'll let you know when I post the article on my website, which won't be until the latest issue of Atlantis Rising has served it's useful life on the newsstands -- probably at the end of August or the beginning of September. All Best, Jeff Comments (8) I'm afraid it often isn't who got there first who gets the attention - it is the one with the best PR!!
I'm also not invoking Mother Earth or miracles - I'm saying there is a geological/chronological link between the submergence of Doggerland and the appearance of the islands (which one would assume were original hills on a coastal plain) which would have happened around 10,000 years ago (didn't Graham Hancock argue that the Pyramids of Giza encoded this date, using precession?). If anyone noticed this and/or put any importance on this they may have invoked some Earth gods, or Sky gods, or Star gods. That doesn't make it religious. Anyway just a thought. A quick skim around doesn't find much on sea levels in the Firth of Forth but I did stumble across a discussion about Doggerland, Atlantis and plaeogeography: http://atlantisinireland.com/movies.php http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1022359707525895623 I did find this though which is very interesting, towards the end of the last Ice Age the scenery would have been spectacular and thy think they have found evidence for structures from that time: http://news.scotsman.com/topstories/Revealed-volcanic-island-beneath-the.3274664.jp If anyone wanted to pursue this angle Christian Wilson seems the man to speak to. www.zoominfo.com/people/Wilson_Christian_939628850.aspx Comments (8) Hi Emperor,
Well, I finally posted my Atlantis Rising article, "The Pyramids of Scotland Revisited," to my website. Here is the direct link: http://www.mythomorph.com/mm/content/2009/1018the_pyramids_of_scotland_revisited.php#more If that doesn't work, the article begins on my home page: http://www.mythomorph.com You'll note that I have credited the "Starbank/Herald" observation to a Cabinet of Wonders "poster," but will be happy to change that to your name or online "handle" if you like. Just let me know. I don't know if this should be bumped up to a more current page, or not, but this is where our conversation began, so here is where I'm posting it. Hope you find it interesting. All Best, Jeff Comments (8) ... such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." --Thomas Paine (The Rights of Man).
Jeff http://www.mythomorph.com Comments (8) Hi Emperor,
My article, The Pyramids of Scotland Revisited, has been posted on my website at http://www.mythomorph.com for a while, now. Among other things, I speculate the existence of an antediluvian Prime Meridian (perhaps the North Sea Atlantean one) that was commemorated by the placement of a series of post-diluvian megalithic sites 33 degrees west of Giza, including Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, Avebury, and Thornborough, the huge three-henge complex confirmed as “the world’s first monument aligned to Orion’s belt stars." That ancient Prime Meridian then enters the North Sea at the Holy Isle of Lindisfarne, and continues northward off the east coast of Scotland and then between the Orkney and Shetland Isles. Just today, Christmas, I was gifted by the internet angels the following link to a BBC story titled "Rising seas 'clue' in sunken world off Orkney." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/8416600.stm What think? Best, Jeff Comments (8) From today's (5 Sept. 2009) "The Scotsman."
Published Date: 05 September 2009 PSYCHIC Uri Geller is to hunt for ancient Egyptian treasure on an island in the Firth of Forth. The celebrity spoon bender bought The Lamb, just off North Berwick, for £30,000 several months ago and is now reported to be planning an expedition to hunt for treasure he believes was buried by Tutankhamen's half sister, Scota. He plans to "dowse" the island using a Y-shaped rod to search for buried metal or gems. Mr Geller believes Scota travelled to the island after being exiled by her pharaoh father and dropped anchor off Lamb Island. He says she buried her treasure there, and also brought the Stone of Destiny with her. Scotland was named after her when she died, he believes. Mr Geller says the island, along with neighbouring Craigleith and Fidra, mirror the layout of the pyramids at Giza. He plans to make his first visit to the island in January. He said: "I am just so excited and eager to go there myself. It has an amazing aura." Comments (8) Over the past 11 months, since Uri Geller made headlines by purchasing Lamb Island on 11 Feb. 2009, my website has had many visitors who found it through a Google search of the words “Pyramids of Scotland.”
It is a testament to the conversation we have had here that the Cabinet of Wonders has become #2 on Google’s hierarchy of those words’ search results. Uri will very shortly, perhaps on the 11th of this month or next, be visiting his island, and will rekindle interest in the story. When that happens, historical mystery fans and media types alike will once again search those or similar search words, and many will end up here. They should be forgiven for wondering, as I did for a while, why the conversation between myself and Emperor seemed to end so abruptly. Some of them might even figure it out … Jeff Comments (8) Sorry I haven't replied but I suffered a series of virus and trojan attacks which have left me on one of the blacklists that the blog uses to stop spam in the comments, so I am unable to actually comment - although if this goes through it is cleared up.
I do have a follow-up to post and will use the appearance of Geller as an excuse to get it posted. Comments (8) Looks like it works and I;m back in business!!!
Comments (8) Thanks, Emperor. That was some problem, that problem. Kinda like being allergic to yourself.
Knowing that Geller has a thing about 11s, I would have thought that, weather permitting, he would've visited the island, today, Jan. 11, exactly 11 months after his purchase on Feb. 11. But The Lamb is tricky to land on at the best of times. I know you are very busy, and appreciate the time and energy you have put in on just this one conversation with me. Your output would kill me, for sure. I know a guy who just wrote a 90,000-word book in a year, and had trouble keeping it at that number. I've written only half that in 9 years. All Best, Jeff Comments (8) |
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